Echoes Of Impact (Aired 07-01-25) Master Money and Taxes: Win the Game to Build Wealth and Wellness

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Sam Foreign. [00:00:35] Speaker B: This is your host, Noora Masri. Welcome to Echoes of Impact with Noora. Money is a game. If you do not know the rules, you are going to lose. Robert Karasaki, do you believe really money is a game? Have you heard this quote before from Robert or someone else? Have you heard any of your people around you or maybe on TV about money being a game? I heard a few times before and when I started hearing that money is a game, I used to be like, huh, really? What do you mean? For me, money used to be stress, money used to be suffering, money used to be a goal, money used to be everything except a game. So how can someone say money is the game and you need to know the rules. So let's break that down and see how money could be a game. In a game, what you do is you have certain rules and you have to play with it. And then if you know the rules, you will win. Maybe if you don't know the rules, you're not gonna win for sure. But if it depends also, also on who you are playing with. And there are stages in the game, so you will start in the entry level and then go higher and higher and higher to the end level. If the game is ending. Well, all games eventually ends, but there's multiple levels to the games. Think about video games. They take you from level to level to level to level and you get more challenges, more problems and you gotta solve them. And you will be better with solving this challenges or problems. The better you practice, the more you practice. So this is if you're looking on games. So let's go ahead and look at what happens with money. Money has a rules as well. So all of us know, okay, if you go to work, you're gonna get paid. That's the only game we play. And it doesn't feel like a game, right? But when you are more comfortable with money, when you work on your money mindset, when you surround yourself with people who talks money or with people who talk money, you really start to see money in a different vision. So just last year I started in a community, they all talk about money. And that was another time when I heard money is a game. But I did not believe it at that time yet. But as I'm getting into the game, I started to believing really money is the game more and more as I play. So it just takes some changing your surrounding, going to the challenge that you might not get there yet, you're not there yet. And it just needs a lot, a lot of work in the Mindset to believe money is a game and to start playing the game. To start playing, hey, how much money. For example, if you want to fundraise, and just to be clear, you don't only fundraise in non profits. You fundraise for your business, you fundraise for a property you're going to purchase. You fundraise for all sorts of things. And if you have not heard about that, it just means that you haven't been, you haven't been there yet, you haven't been in this groups yet. But a lot of people raise money for their businesses all the time. Now it doesn't have to be venture capital, like you don't have to be on Silicon Valley to do that. It can be any business, let's say my tax and accounting business, I can now raise money for my business for anything that I want to do. What we tend to think of or think about like is go to ask for loan from bank secure loan or with our alone with collateral or home equity loan. We are very limited on thinking about these two rules of the game. So that, that's why it feels so, so stressful. Because they look about your credit score, they look up on everything else, your credit debt ratio or debt to credit ratio, whatever. So in reality that's what most of us program to look at. So that's why money looks stressful. Money seems very, very stressful for all of, all of us or most of us. But when you start getting in communities where people raise money, people have money that you want to utilize. They want their to send money there with someone else to work and they bring it back. They're not necessarily interested in investing in the stock market. They want maybe a faster return, maybe a better return, maybe a more meaningful return to invest in small businesses and other stuff. So you can raise money for anything if you are in the right group of people. And this is when money starts to be to feel like a game. Let me give you just an example that happened and the community that I'm in right now. Someone wanted to raise money for their business because their business need some marketing and they've been struggling because you know you need working capitals, you know you need a lot of expenses for your business to make sure it survives and running accurately. You're running well and you pay your staff, you pay yourself. So a lot of time marketing seems to be not the priority for a lot of people. But that person knew that if they bush in marketing, if they pay money or put money after their marketing to advertise for more people to know about their business. They know for sure that money is going to grow faster and they can return the money if they borrow it. But as a small business owner, if you are one, you know, it's very, very hard to prove that, that you have the money to pay any loan back. Because simply try it. Try it. If you are a business owner and go ask for a loan from a bank, if you're doing your taxes correctly, if you're doing everything that you're supposed to do to keep your money with you, your tax return will not be attractive for any, anyone to loan you money to. For any bank to loan you money because you're doing the right thing using tax strategies. Tax avoidance, not evasion. I'm talking about legally using tax strategies. So if you're doing that and you are working in your business the right way, taking care of finances, that tax returns is not going to be attractive. Maybe if you're paying yourself well, then now maybe you have a better chance, but maybe not that big of a chance. Maybe you need a lot more money. So I want you to think what other alternatives you, you get frustrated because there is no alternative. But I just told you, money is a game. I'm gonna prove it with you. For you. There is alternative. There's some cheat sheets. Things that you need to do is start working on your money or money mindsets. And yes, money and minds is, is a mindset. I've been working on my money mindset for over 3 years now with coaches, with, with books, with courses, with communities. It takes time and you would see the progress over and over in your bank account once you start working on your money mindset. So there's some rules, there is some cheat sheet that you are going to be able to look into to learn the game. What is that for you? Before I take you to the end story of my friend, what is that for you? Where do you want to start? So getting back to my friend, they asked a lot for loans on their businesses they couldn't get. But when they are in this community, they were able to raise. They. They were like, let me raise some money. See if anyone wants to move money with me and I'll give them a return on their investments. And that's what exactly happened. They asked for $50,000 from the community and people came straight and say, hey, like, I want to give you money. And they did give money to the, to the business owners. Now I don't know if they raised the full 50,000 or not, but they raised a little, at least 50% of it. Would you say having nothing better than having the 50% of the 50,000, which is 25,000, or would you say no, like, let's keep, let's keep us on the zero and keep begging banks to give us money. Now, that business owner, it's just one story for with, you know, one story from a lot other stories. As soon as they started raising this fund for their business, they started feeling it's a game. That business owner is me. This is when I really felt this is a game and I can utilize this game. And I was able to raise money from my people in the community. And this is not only me, a lot of other people who are maybe flipping property, having other businesses, they're raising money from the community, and they all play the game. So you want to think, do you want to keep suffering through money, through growing your money, growing your business, or do you want to take the first action to grow your mindset, to make sure you work on your, your money mindset so you can grow personally and in your business? It's in your hands. There's nothing in life you cannot control. Play it out and start taking the first action to play the game of money. And if you do not believe me yet, just start. And down the road, maybe after a year, two years, maybe five years, it depends on how fast and learning the game you are, you gain the game, you will come back and say the money, money is really a game. This is your host, Noor Al Masri, and this is Echoes of Impact with Noora. Stay with me. I have an amazing guest talking more about play, but not with money, with other stuff. We'll be right back. [00:13:53] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:14:04] Speaker B: This is your host, Noora Masri. And this is Echoes of Impact with Noora. We're back to talk to a very special person, Sophia. Sophia, my friend, she works in mental health, but not just any mental health, like, you know that, like any other therapist that you go to and to talk to. No. She uses play and the power of play in mental health. Sophia, welcome to Echoes of Impact. Thank you so much for joining me today. How are you doing? [00:14:35] Speaker A: I'm great, Nora. Thank you so much for having me. [00:14:39] Speaker B: Of course. So usually I like my, my guests to introduce themselves. So would you mind like introducing yourself, giving a little background about who you are and what you do? [00:14:47] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. So my name is Sophia Ansari and I am a licensed clinical professional counselor. I'm a registered play therapist. I'm also an author, an international speaker, an activist, and I'm the owner of the let's Play Therapy Institute, where we provide professional development trainings to mental health professionals. [00:15:11] Speaker B: That's awesome. I mean, a lot of people think sometimes that playing is a waste of time, so. But you use it for therapy. How did you discover the power of play and how it relates to the mental health? [00:15:26] Speaker A: Yeah, so actually I, I discovered play therapy during my clinical internship many, many years ago. And I was actually, I was really fortunate to be placed at a site with several play therapists. And I will tell you, that experience completely transformed how I understood therapy. And so just to explain a little bit about what play therapy is, so play therapy is an evidence based therapy approach that uses play as a tool for communication, for processing, for healing, and it's used for clients of all ages. And I want to emphasize that because some people think that play therapy is just for children, and that's absolutely not true. Of course, the techniques might look different for different age groups. Right. But the same principles apply across the lifespan. You know, it is an avenue for creative expression and symbolic communication and emotional safety. So it is definitely effective for all ages. And so, you know, for example, for teens and adults, just because I know adults are always so curious about might show up as storytelling. We might use your favorite movie or TV or comic book. There's also expressive arts, there's role playing like Dungeons and Dragons and even video games. And so play therapy can just really, really give us access to thoughts and feelings that aren't reachable through traditional talk therapy. Right. And I think even just beyond the research, I think it just makes sense, right, Nora? That because play brings joy, it brings safety and meaning, it reminds us that healing doesn't always have to feel so heavy. [00:17:17] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I never thought like play therapy could work for adults. I always, I heard about it for children and I heard about other therapy for children, but I always, when I think about therapy, thinking of traditional, like, okay, one to one therapy and maybe like group therapy, but never play therapy. That's really interesting. So, yeah. What are some of your favorite games that you play with, you know, you use to. With your clients to. For therapy? [00:17:48] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a great question. So my clients love Minecraft. I don't know, Nora, if you play video games, Minecraft, very, very popular video game. It's just one of many that we play and it's such a beautiful way to connect because clients can actually create safe spaces in the game and they can express themselves creatively. Lego is another favorite. Do you like playing Lego? Because that's another Favorite. [00:18:15] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:18:16] Speaker A: And, and I, I love Lego. I, I always say that it's like 3D printing. Your thoughts? Oh, yeah, yeah, it's really cool. And so then there's a whole science behind building and, and problem solving. And so clients really love Lego. And then one of my favorites is called SA Sand Tray Therapy, which a lot of people haven't heard of, but really it involves using little miniature figures and sand. And what clients do is they create a scene or a story in the sand tray. And it's a really beautiful and powerful way to explore pro and process emotions without having to be too verbal. And then also just comic books and like I said, TV shows, music. So just a variety of really just expressive techniques. [00:19:04] Speaker B: So how can you give us an example? Because, you know, it's really, really hard to make this shift. Like this is. Because when you're watching tv, when you're playing a video game or you playing any of these games you mentioned, like, you feel. I mean, I'm going to talk about myself. I feel guilty sometimes because, oh, I mean, I'm wasting time. I should be like, doing, learning something. I should be resting or maybe I should be doing some work. But here I am. This game, whatever that game is, like, I have block games on my phone. Like, I had to remove it because I felt like I'm wasting my time. And also like coloring games, sometimes happy colors and stuff. And all the other games that you mentioned, I see a lot of people blaming them. And technically I used to love Legos, but never played with them as an adult. So can you give us an example on how that, you know, like, you know, like, how do you use therapy? Like maybe like with a story or something? [00:20:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, first I want to say never feel guilty for playing. Right? Because playing is not frivolous. It is survival. Right? It is survival and it's resistance. And play is how our nervous systems regulate. And it's how we hold on to hope and how we reconnect with joy. So please never feel. Never feel guilty for playing. And so an example of how that might show up in a therapy session. For example, let's talk about like a comic book. Since everybody knows superheroes, I think everybody knows Batman, as we know, if you know Batman's story, you don't have to be an expert. You know, Batman has lost both of his parents, so he's a superhero who's dealing with a lot of grief, which actually all the superheroes deal with grief. They all have very sad stories. But I might be working with a client who themselves is experiencing grief. And sometimes it's really hard to talk about our own pain. And so we can use our favorite stories as what I call a filter of fiction. So we can use Batman's story and we can talk about Batman's grief and sort of distance ourselves and, and externalize that pain and talk about Batman's grief and then draw parallels to our own grief. So eventually it might help the client to say, hey, I relate to Batman in this way because I too am experiencing grief. And so it really is a beautiful way to help clients externalize their pain so that they can work through it, but also draw parallels to their favorite characters. And I love exploring clients strengths and say, well, Batman is brave. How are some ways you've been brave? Right. And that's always really meaningful too. I'm like Batman, I'm brave too. Right. And so it's a really beautiful and powerful way of connecting. [00:21:53] Speaker B: I love that. I mean, this is very impressive. And yeah, I'm not going to feel guilty again when I. So I know, I've been watching your social media and I see that you're posting a lot about how games could probably help in this current event and the war in the Middle east and everything going on in the world. So can you give someone maybe a tip on how to stay positive and keep playing throughout these events? [00:22:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's really important. And I, I always say that I don't force positivity. I practice something called intentional hope. And so I allow myself to feel the heaviness when it shows up. And because there's a lot going on in the world. Right. And so what I try to do is stay focused and grounding on what I can do. So helping people find moments of joy through play is one thing. Supporting community care, activism and reminding others that healing is possible are all things that I can do that are within my power. And so my message doesn't change because it's rooted in truth, that play is a human need. It's not a luxury. Right? It's a need, not a luxury. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. Play is a human need, not luxury. Never heard anyone talking about play this way. We should cut the segments and take it to all the parents. So when you see your child play and go play with them because it's a human need, it's not only a child. I love that. Thank you so much, Sophia, for sharing this. What's a meaningful insight and really, really a unique way to look into plays. Thank you so much for sharing all of that. And we'll be right with you after the break. Guys, stay with us. I'm going to share with you how you can connect with Sophia to get to one of her courses or other things that she offers. But stay with us until after the break. This is Echoes of Impact with Noora. We'll be right back. Loving what you're watching. Don't miss a moment of Echoes of Impact or any of your favorite NOW Media TV shows, live or on demand, anytime, anywhere. Download the free Now Media TV app on Ruko or iOS and enjoy instant access to our full lineup of bilingual programming in both English and Spanish. Prefer to listen on the go catch the podcast. Catch the podcast version of the show right on the social on then right on the Now Media TV website, www.nowmedia.tv from business and breaking news to lifestyle, culture and everything in between, now media TV is streaming 24. 7 ready whenever you are. Welcome back to Echoes of Impact and I am your host, Noor Al Masri. And I am here again with Sufi Ansari. In this segment, we are talking about how to keep going with your business or personal passion, even when the world feels heavy. Sophia, welcome back. [00:25:40] Speaker A: Thank you, Nora. Of course. [00:25:42] Speaker B: So can you tell us a little bit about your services? What do you do? How do you help people? [00:25:49] Speaker A: Yes, So I offer professional development trainings to mental health professionals and we do also get educators and other paraprofessionals like speech therapists and occupational therapists. And we teach about the power of play, particularly is play therapy. So I always like to brag that I get to play for a living. [00:26:11] Speaker B: How fun. Yeah, that's awesome. Awesome. So you have courses available online? [00:26:19] Speaker A: Yes, I offer trainings online. I also do them in person. And so sometimes organizations will reach out and then I will come to them and train their staff as well. And so I'll train them on things like how to use Lego, how to use video games, how to use expressive arts in therapy with a wide range of clients from, you know, like I said, like children to adults working with trauma, anxiety, depression, just a wide range. So really, it's just really specific to whatever the the client's needs are. [00:26:52] Speaker B: Awesome, awesome, awesome. So how can people get in touch with you? [00:26:58] Speaker A: Yeah, so they can visit my website@Let's Play Therapy.org they can also email me at hello, let's Play Therapy.org if they're interested in hosting a live training in person or virtual, we can, we can do whatever works for you. [00:27:15] Speaker B: That's awesome. And you are a speaker as well. So they can talk to you to come speak at their event? [00:27:20] Speaker A: Absolutely. I, I always say it's not a training, it's a party. So be prepared to have fun. [00:27:28] Speaker B: That's so much fun. So what's the most of the ideal places that you will be, you feel you can benefit them the most in different areas? [00:27:38] Speaker A: I think specifically play therapy is my passion, but I also do a lot of team building. I just, actually just finished a training with a large organization and we use Lego for team building and problem solving and helping them identify their objectives. So even like you said, organizations and businesses could really benefit from even using a little play in their, in their team building retreats. [00:28:03] Speaker B: That's, that's fun. That's amazing. So do you have the tools usually like you have all these games? [00:28:10] Speaker A: Yes, I, I, you know, it's so funny. Whenever I travel, I bring. My car is packed with toys, right. And so, and when I go through tsa, they always sort of look at me like, why do you have all this play doh. And why do you have all these bubbles? But, but it, I always say this is my job. And I just, I go on the road and I, and I bring supplies and like I said, we just, we have so much fun and it really doesn't ever feel like a training. Sometimes professional development trainings can be kind of boring. But I think what's fun about what I do is we get to play and we get to explore thoughts and feelings through play. So sometimes it's just really hard to talk about ourselves and so we can just use our hands and think through our hands. [00:28:53] Speaker B: Oh, that's interesting. So let me speaking of that now, what's, what's going on around the world? Some people don't have access even to TV or maybe toys. And you just mentioned you used our hands. So how can someone maybe help play through a hard time if they don't have access to toys? Like how can they, if I, if I am a therapist and I'm traveling somewhere and I want to help them play, what should I teach them and how, you know, like how should they navigate through this hard time without resources? [00:29:28] Speaker A: Yes, I think that's a really, really important question. Especially when we are working in areas that are just not accessing materials. Not everybody has video games and Lego and I think that's a really great question. And so I always remind people that you don't need fancy toys to play. Right? Play is so innate. We can dance, we can move, we can sing. The original play was storytelling, right? And that was such a, that's Such a deeply part of my own culture, and I know so many other cultures is storytelling. But even just nature, I do a lot of trainings on using nature in therapy. And so even just being out in nature and using what I call nature's toys, you know, have you. Do you remember just picking up a stick and this could be a sword, it could be a fishing pole, it could be a lightsaber. Right. There's so much outside that's accessible. Even just playing in the mud. Right. Making. I. I still love playing in the mud, to be honest. [00:30:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:19] Speaker A: We have access. We have access to nature and we have access to movement and music. And so really we can hold an authentic space by just bringing joy. And it doesn't necessarily have to be these fancy toys that are, you know, really expensive sometimes, you know, and so it is just. We have access to things that even. Just ourselves and our. In our voices are all part of play. [00:30:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. So technically, I'm just trying to understand because some people. I see some people saying, but this is waste of time, like Blade and how does that help the mental health? [00:30:55] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. I think when, you know, when life feels overwhelming like it has been lately, I think especially, I think it's important to remember that play gives us a break from survival mode. Right. We're just. Don't you always feel like we're in survival mode and we're going, going. Absolutely right. And so I think play gives us a break from that. But, you know, I think what's really important to remember is that it also reintroduces us to a sense of control, because again, so much of the world is out of our control. And then it brings us creativity, it brings us possibility. And I think the beauty of that, and I learned in therapy, is that play is often the bridge to healing. It gives people a way to process grief and anxiety and trauma without having to relive it directly. So it really is such a gentle yet powerful tool for recovery. And so I just can't emphasize enough the therapeutic and healing power of play. [00:31:54] Speaker B: I love that. I totally love that. Would it. Would you reach one point or say, okay, you're playing so much. Okay, you have to put this under control. I mean, you just said, like, you want to have sense of control, but, like, would it be too much playing at one point or no? [00:32:13] Speaker A: You know, I think everything we've got to look at with a balance, I mean, we've got responsibilities in life too. And so I always say when it comes to even video games, you know, we've Got to have a balance. We, it's things become a problem when they interfere with our daily activities, if they interfere with our grades, with our work, with our relationships, that's how we know we might be crossing over into some problematic sort of engagement with the video game, for example. Right. And so everything with a balance, but don't rule out play. We just need to be able to integrate it and incorporate it into our everyday lives. [00:32:48] Speaker B: Awesome. So would you say like to have it like throughout the day or like one time a day? Like is there a perfect scenario for mental health or what's your take on that? [00:33:01] Speaker A: I think if you can weave in joy throughout your day, it's always helpful. Even just, you know, even just not even related to play, but even just taking a moment to take a breath and just give yourself a hug. Go ahead, Nora, give yourself a hug right now. You deserve it. Just giving yourself a hug, even, just that touch and just placing those hands on your heart can just give you that self compassion and just checking in with yourselves. And if you happen to have something to play with or you want to draw or even listen to music, I think that can help ground us too. I like to do that throughout my day. Especially after sessions. I'll check in with myself. My desk is full of toys. I've got Rubik's cubes, I've got a little sand tray here. I've got. Yeah, I've got a Lego man there. So sometimes I like to just have something in my hands. But sometimes, honestly I just like to go outside and just get some fresh air. And to me that brings me so much joy and it grounds me. [00:33:54] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:33:55] Speaker A: I love that. [00:33:55] Speaker B: And speaking of the hugs, I mean I was here a single mom, like away from my family. I didn't have any people around me for a period of time, so. And when my kids were young and I always wish I can give a person like, like me, an adult, a hug, like not only a child. And I wish at that time I knew I can hug myself. And it's really powerful. People don't even think about it. Absolutely. [00:34:20] Speaker A: There's a whole science behind it. If anybody is interested, just Google self compassion, the work of Kristen Neff, who's a neuroscientist. And they talk all about the healing power of just self touching and self compassion, which is really, really important work. Yeah. [00:34:36] Speaker B: Wow, that's amazing. Thank you so much, Sophia. Thank you for everything you're giving us. Like it's, it has been like great energy, creativity from you, healing spirit. Like thank you so much for sharing all of that with us. It's been an incredible conversation and very unique. We never spoke about play in the show before, so thank you so much for that. For you guys who are watching, you want to explore your therapy model or bring play into your wellness journey, how can they get in touch with you? [00:35:08] Speaker A: They can Visit me at LetsPlayTherapy.org or they can email me at hello, LetsPlayTherapy.org. [00:35:15] Speaker B: Thank you so much, Sophia. Guys, this is your host, Nura Masri. And this is Echoes of Impact with Noora. We'll be right back. [00:35:23] Speaker A: Sam Foreign. [00:35:56] Speaker B: Welcome back to Echoes of Impact and thank you so much for staying with us. This is your host, Noor Al Masri. Welcome back. Let's close with something very practical but still in the theme of game, I want you to keep playing and something really, really practical that really going to benefit you. Taxes. Well, everyone wants to save in taxes but you refuse to play the game of taxes. And why? Wealthy people win in the game of taxes because they learn the rules. They get professionals around them to help them play the game and make it fun. So why would you make it stressful? A lot of us are wired to make taxes stressful. But if you want to win in the money game, you must learn the tax cheat code. And that is the code that written by the tax law. And it's for you to use it, it's for you to learn from it. It's for you to get into the game and utilize what's in the tax law to your advantage. The rules are there. It's up to you if you want to use it or not. Most of you guys don't want to use it. And don't worry, I used to be like that as well. I used to be very afraid of taxes until I started learning it more and got my enrolled agents exams scrolled. Until I passed my enrolled agent exams and started doing those with clients. With myself like doing all tax strategies and planning, I started playing the game. It is truly a game. But it's your choice. It's the perspective. Do you choose to feel tax code is really a burden, a stress, Something like you don't want to see until April 15th and even then you ask for extension because you're not ready. Or do you want to play the game and see how much you can save with the game? How much can you apply the rules of the game to utilize it and to win with it, to keep your money, to keep control of your money. So if you decided to play, I want you to start Playing. How do you play? You just heard from Sophia how playing is very important and I'm about to tell you more ways to keep playing all your day long. I know you're busy with your work but. But let's say you make an amount of money and then now like you want to see how are you going to wipe it out? Not lose it, but not be taxes on it but you want to keep it here. Is it part of the game when you use that, when we use the cheat code that you lose the money. So for example, a lot of people, they might not need to spend money on certain business expense but they do it because they don't want to pay in taxes. But you lost the money, so what's the point? You don't have the money either way. What I want you to think the game now is how can I wipe this money out without losing it legally? This is the big word here, legally. We're not doing anything illegal here. We are doing legally wiping that money out. So that's a game. You play it with your tax advisor. Because there is a difference between tax advisor and tax preparer or tax professional. Just you don't know they prepare or they advise. Tax preparer who does data entry. Most of tax pros on the nationwide they are tax preparer, very few, very small percentage who are tax advisors and the difference is really clear. Tax preparer is someone who just do the data entry and they don't know the tax law, they just do it. Tax advisor, they have more knowledge, they know the tax law, they see the results, they are highly results driven. They want to see you be as minimum as possible in taxes legally. Now even with a tax advisor, if you just go to do your taxes after fact there's very limited things they can do for you. But if you do tax planning all year round, that's a totally different service. You get the entire team of that tax professional because most of the time if you have someone who is doing taxes and tax advising, they're not going to be one man show or one moment show. They will have team that work for them because they are looking to save you money and they need a team to do that. There's no way they can do the taxes, do that bookkeeping and do the tax saving. They really need a team. So you just got yourself an entire team working for your advantage. With a little bit of communication with you throughout the month you will actually save big time in taxes. They will be looking for ways to save taxes for you and it will start feeling Like a game for you. When you are keeping your receipts, when you are logging your information, it should start feel like a game and you can make it easy for yourself. Your tax professional can develop a system to help you make it as a game and just a perspective that you should look into this. You should be very, very, very happy and excited to save money in taxes. So once you get anything going on, you let your tax professional know, hey, I got this going on. How can we make sure I don't pay extra in taxes? And your tax professional will help you. When the tax professional give you the give you the tips on what they need from you, you should feel like hey, oh I am going to this give them this information because I want to win in this game. If you start seeing taxes this way, it's going to start to feel more fun. You'll be ready when it's time to file taxes. You will know what decision will make the best decision for you. To make sure you have what you need to make sure you have everything that needs to be done for your business. You will know when it's the right time to purchase a property for investments. You know when is the right time to turn maybe your current property to investment property. You know when it's the right time to invest in a retirement plan. You know which plan would be best for you? Would it be a self directed account or would it be just a regular account? Would it be a high deductible health insurance or would it be just a regular health insurance or no insurance at all? What exactly benefits you the most? And that should get you excited because now you're making more money, a better life for you and your people around you. You're building the legacy. You don't have to learn everything. You just have to know the basics and work with the right people. Ask who, not how. That's what I'm working on. And at New Risk, my tax and accounting firm, this is my main focus, started last year with a lot of clients. We're just focusing on building the tax architects for the clients. Making sure they have the right strategies to save in taxes. Making sure that they feel this is a game and they feel supported from me and my team so they can keep growing, focusing to make money. But our focus is to help them keep those money with them. Not just lose it by deducting unnecessary expense, not just lose it by putting it in the IRS because they don't have any better way to use it. So if you have that, do not feel that taxes is a game it's on you to know that. And I do have a lot of videos on my YouTube channel. If you go to nurasbooks.com Nura's Books and O U R A S B O O K S dot com, there's links for all my social media accounts. And you can watch those videos, watch Echoes of Impact. We talk a lot about taxes and other stuff, other business stuff, but start educating yourself, start listening about that. And let me tell you, don't just take any advice from any videos, even the videos I am doing or the TV show I'm doing or any other tax professionals doing. Because what we say is general education moments, it's not a tax advice for you guys. Your situation is unique and what I'm saying is general. So you really need to talk to a professional to see, okay, what works for you, what is it exactly you need to do in order to save in taxes. And I'll be happy to talk to you if you would like. I have free consultation. We can talk and I can tell you if I can help you and how can I help you and if there's an opportunity for you to save in taxes or not. Most of the time, 99 of the time, there's always an opportunity. So keep playing the money game, keep playing the tax game so you can win and build your legacy. This is your host, Noor al Masri, and here we came to the end. Thank you so much for watching the show today. I've enjoyed being with you and I hope you guys enjoyed staying with me until now. If you find something helpful for today's conversation, I invite you to share it with someone else. Share it with someone else who needs to hear it. Let people reel, become an echo, okay? Stay curious, stay compassionate and stay courageous. That was your host, Noor Al Masri. Until next time, keep making an impact.